I bought a copy of Art's book the day it came out, and never had time to take it home. So in a night out on the town in NYC a jack & ginger got spilled ALL over it when some drunk chick knocked it over and it went straight down the bar into my book.
It must've been printed on super paper because it dried with no warp and no smell.
I dig Chronicle Books. Their titles are on the verge of replacing porn in my life. The first volume of Blue Note covers is mesmerizing and it provided some inspiration for a drawing assignment at school. And yes, I have Art's book and I love it.
i was much more interested in a big name publisher for this first volume of my work. it's a small overview anyway (the enormity of the volume of my crap would even amaze you, frank). i wanted a name publisher with a track record in pop culture and art/design world credibility so i would get mainstream attention and reviews and be taken seriously. it worked fine. i got reviewed in ca, graphis, print, id, eye, artforum, punk planet, your flesh and maximum rock and roll (among others). all were rave reviews, and now i've finally got design/art/music world respect. it was a plan, ya know. now i can relax and make money. i've done my time...
i've got a show opening in june at PS1 (now affiliated with the museum of modern art). no way would i have gotten that without my stupid chronicle book.
art: nothing groundbreaking: day-job related work (it's a coffee table book on quaint homes in Nantucket). I've also done a cookbook for them (which a friend saw being peddled on the home shopping network, bundled with a mixer. woo hoo)
It's true. Chronicle books show up at used book stores around here when they are still relatively "new". Whatever the book equivalent of a cutout is. Chronicle is the Rykodisc of the book world.
That said, I really like their choices for design-oriented material, and own a crapload of em.
Chronicle? no wonder.
They have ZERO follow thru-reamindered in 3 months. Chronicle is a 'mill'.
next time go with a smaller publisher that keeps the crap in distro. My first book is still in print and still sells every month and it came out in 97.
plantweed - she self-published most of her own work - very little of it was published by starhead or anybody. she still sells some books (early editions of some of her books had metal covers with locks on them.) through her website at circusofthescars.com, i believe.
brian - book companies are a lot like record companies (they are both publishing, ya know). i dunno why you can't find one. i have no idea. chronicle books has no idea. the author has no idea. distributors has no idea. nobody has any idea at all.
do i care anymore? no.
art: well, then how come i can't find a copy to save my life? there should be 5000 of those suckers out there. as for the amount of sales... you have to admit, it's a pretty marginal subject matter. Don't get me wrong: I think that everyone should be aware of your work... it's just that the majority of humans out there dont really give a fuck about what we do (IMHO)
I account for two of those copies (bought one myself and a friend bought another copy to give to me as a birthday present).
Oh yeah as far as me getting burned on the freelance job, I just found an e-mail that says in no uncertain terms "I'll pay you for your time". :o Wish me luck...
here's the breakdown on my book sales - as of the moment (2 years after initital release), my book has sold not quite 5000 copies. there were 10000 copies in the initial run. sales have been very slow, but steady (and after two years, tapering off). since i didn't write the book, i'm not entitled to royalties. however, the author has verbally promised to split any royalties she recieves. we have to sell out the first printing and most of a second printing in order to recoup expenses (including th publsiher's overhead and printing costs, etc.) before any royalties will ever be seen.
5000 copies out of a potential world market of 4 billion ain't exactly what i would consider a runaway best-seller.
art said: "hardly anybody bought the first one"
that's not true... i've been trying to find a copy for a while now and no luck. I keep getting told that it needs a re-print. maybe distro sucked up here?
slug (his nickname because he ate bugs) had ashleigh design his tattoo. it was another 'goodwill' freebie thing. she was going to tattoo him with her design (she was also a tattoo artist) and worked on him from the soul of his feet upward (yes his dick is tattooed. he came when she did it). when they got to the waist, he decided to buy his own tattoo equipment and have his new girlfriend finish it up and (in the process) learn how to tattoo. of course, ashleigh (who had worn out here equipment and had asked slug to buy her a new gun coincidentally) was left in a lurch. to top it all off, the new girlfriend did really awful work and the stuff rom his waist up is 'patchy' and the puzzle pices don't meet evenly (hard to do, ya know) and generally looks like shit.
needless to say, she's disowned the project.
a thousand stories in the naked city...
We're definitely all on the same page but it's good for those people starting out to hear these horror stories so, hopefully, they won't have to go through the painful "learning" process. I do little things for bands occasionally and I always have that thought in the back of my head "What if these guys get really big?" but I usually end up just doing it anyways. I still enjoy this for the love of it and not the money. It would be nice to make money but most of these bands are up against terrible odds to make something of themselves that will support the band much less the guy who did the logo.
i tend to agree. you really need to be fair to everybody (especially yourself) and charge up front. she did this stuff waaaaay early, and it began as a banner, then was re-drawn and applied to the poster. she thought her agreement was (as we always do) 'i help you now, you help me later', community goodwill, let's put on a show and rubes will make us all rich sorta thing. it never works that way. there's too many horror stories out there. she felt betrayed (and maybe she was) and wanted to be treated fairly. he thought he owned it and could do what he wanted (as per 'free"). that's why you need written agreements, that way =these problems cn be addressed early and (most of all) there are NO SURPRISES. that's the whole point of a contratc.
did you know that the guy who drew the rolling stones' logo (the lips thing) - bob pasche was his name - got fifty bucks for his work? how many millions in merch has been reaped from that logo?
I can understand wanting some reward for hard work but you gotta expect nothing if you give it away. I try to not "work" with friends if I can help it. Some lessons can be learned the easy way... by observation.
she did all of the jim rose stuff totally for free. later on, when he was applying it to everything and making real merch money, she requested some additional money come her way (she and jim were old pals). he got pissed, she got pissed, war ensued and they don't talk to each other to this day.
working with friends is dangerous, especially when money enters the picture.
ashleigh is one of the most amazing and talented artists i've ever known. she hasn't done many gigposters, and i'll post what i can find. she's a strong-willed totally self-taught, self-directed visionary. amazing.
one reason she has that circus style down is that she lived the circus life for a time - in a sideshow, no less. that, and the fact that she INVENTED most of this contemporary sideshow stuff.