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DESIGNER:
Ammo  
VENUE:
La Rodia
Besançon
France
 
SUBMITTED BY:
ammoSend ammo a message
2011-03-28 11:33:09
 
BANDS:
Jack And The Bearded Fishermen



Jack And The Bearded Fishermen Poster - La Rodia, Besançon - Ammo



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hypoSend hypo a message :   Ha. If Goodtimes ever stops posting on GP, u paper hangers will never hear from me again.   2011-04-02 12:12:29
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Definitely listen to these cookie cutter fucktards about getting your own style!   2011-04-02 11:48:02
adamhansonSend adamhanson a message :   you got a lot of talent, definitely interested in seeing you developing more of your own style though   2011-04-02 08:16:15
HrabovskySend Hrabovsky a message :   Yay! Now everyone scissor!   2011-04-01 10:47:19
bingybunnySend bingybunny a message :   Sounds good Ammo. You definitely have skill and your response is very gracious.   2011-04-01 09:10:15
ammoSend ammo a message :   Really hope he doesn't care, and I agree with bingybunny, he'll never see it(maybe) However, I hope to meet him someday and thanks him for changing my way of draw and for look at things. And like bingybunny says, I've to fully digest it, it's not the case yet !^^ I'll work for it !!!!   2011-04-01 09:00:54
ammoSend ammo a message :   Really hope he doesn't care, and I agree with bingybunny, he'll never see it(maybe) However, I hope to meet him someday and thanks him for changing my way of draw and for look at things. And like bingybunny says, I've to fully digest it, it's not the case yet !^^ I'll work for it !!!!   2011-04-01 08:56:15
bingybunnySend bingybunny a message :   Horkey doesnt care. He probably will never even see it.   2011-04-01 08:33:45
bingybunnySend bingybunny a message :   Geoff is right. When eating food the goal is to fully digest it, not merely chew it a couple times and spit it back out onto your plate. All artists have contemporary influences but the successful ones are able to glean something and then make it their own or expand upon it.   2011-04-01 08:32:53
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   wonder if Horkey cares ?   2011-04-01 08:28:39
zlandrumSend zlandrum a message :   Geoff is right.   2011-04-01 08:21:45
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   There you go. No more guessing required as to whether or not he knows Horkeys work.   2011-04-01 08:03:02
ammoSend ammo a message :   YOP ! Thanks to all for your comments ! Yep, I too much tike horkey's work, I know, I try to deviate my style, but it's hard, it's a way of drawing I really apreciate, but I promise I'll never draw helmeted birds^^ For the moment, I study old fashioned typo for develop my own processing. After, don't worry some people do know horkey in europe, the poster culture begin to graw, slowly but I hope surely. For finish, I'm not using the same tool that horkey use(it's micron pen I think) I use a brush, so I think/hope this tool will guide my feature to another "approaches" Sorry for my cheaty english. Thanks again, and for the risdmuseum's link, yay ! It kills ! (I'm more and more influence/attract by engraving work.) Byyye !   2011-04-01 07:20:38
twoducksdiscoSend twoducksdisco a message :   Nice poster! Yes it is like Horkey's style but we all gotta start somewhere! Hopefully this person can take their talent to more original pastures...   2011-04-01 02:29:09
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   but i'm right   2011-03-31 22:22:22
bdixSend bdix a message :   Geoff's a stalker   2011-03-31 21:31:50
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   He's obviously has skill but he is posting work in a very small community where this style is owned by Aaron. He's not oblivious to Aaron's work because this is such a contained world. If he was off making art prints in this style on some French art forum and there was no link to gig posters then perhaps you couldn't draw the conclusion that he is ripping Aaron. But the reality is he's designing for the same bands as Aaron in the EXACT same style. Every element in this poster can be found in another one of Aaron's prints including the composition. The fishing lines in the center are straight off of the Nesting print we did. This is a blatant lift of a very established contemporary artist. And this guy's progression is documented here. The Unsane poster is very nice and there are hints of Aaron's illo style but the type is way different, then you get Isis and Keelhaul where the type starts to morph into the ornate lettering Aaron has, then this is posted. It's fully aping a guy who has carved out his own unique gig poster style over the last few years. Yeah you can draw and yeah you clearly can copy a style. Use your skill to create your own style. That's the advantage of being an illustrator. Why rip off one of the most highly regarded illustrators of this generation when you can obviously draw.   2011-03-31 21:22:01
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   I don't think it's too harsh. Then again, that's just me. I am quite impressed w/ the degree of level-headed candor contained in this thread. Good points and plenty to think about.   2011-03-31 21:03:00
ricv64Send ricv64 a message :   Dekooning said , you start painting all your heros are in the room . As you're painting , one by one they leave the room and if you're lucky you end up in the room by yourself   2011-03-31 17:41:11
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   We're in a semi-vacuum because we know who Horkey is, unlike 98% of the Frenchies who will see this.
I know who Horkey is, but don't consider this a rip. It bores me more than anything else, more in the sense that I feel like the artist isn't owning the piece by not adding much to the obvious influences he's referencing.
Where if not in gigposters can an artist use training wheels?
I hope that isn't too harsh.
  2011-03-31 17:18:34
hypoSend hypo a message :   I think it's just the opposite. If it was well executed, meaning, even more like Horkey, Ammo wouldn't be getting any shit.
That and if schmickle could kill this whole conversation by posting an animated .gif, he would.
  2011-03-31 14:59:44
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   I would be interested to know if you would say the same thing if this had been executed a little better. I.E., how would the conversation read if this REALLY looked like a Horkey instead of sort of looking like a Horkey. It's like "it's ok b/c he's just not that good yet and he's still finding himself, but if he gets good enough at it then he better piss off and find something else to do." At least that often seems to be the way of it. It's a gray area conversation, I suppose. Good thread by the way.   2011-03-31 14:40:58
Mark McCormickSend Mark McCormick a message :   Van Eyck, Doré, Dürer, Caravaggio, Da Vinci... any of the renaissance masters who studied engraving all seem to have influenced Horkey's line work. I'm sure there are plenty of contemporaries out there as well. Anybody with the proper tools and enough TIME can master line quality. Emek, Jay Ryan, and Horkey all have their own line techniques so the differences are more apparent. To me, Horkey's brilliance lies much more in his use of that line, combined with his abstract imagination and compositions. The designers who catch grief here for being unoriginal are usually ripping off more than just a technical skill. I don't think there are any specific grace periods as everybody progresses at their own pace. There have been many similar arguments regarding Pushead's influence on Baizley and Florian, each of whom I believe have developed their own style even tho the technical influences remain obvious.
At a glance, this looks like a decent reference...
http://www.risdmuseum.org/thebrilliantline/
  2011-03-31 14:11:39
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   Point taken, understood, and even agreed upon but then why do some people here get shat on for "aping" other people's shit and some don't? Furthermore, how long of a grace period does an up-and-comer have? Again, I'm not dumping on anyone and these are sort of rhetorical questions, I guess but just wondering if anyone has any serious thoughts in regards to them. Being completely sincere here. I really don't understand the politics sometimes...   2011-03-31 13:30:11
zlandrumSend zlandrum a message :   Hey Mark, I've not studied it no - And i think i understand what you're saying about there being heaps of it. I don't mean the method of the line work so much as the style that horkey uses it in... let the decemberists collaboration he did with emek, i can clearly tell where horkey's line work ends, and emek's begins, or with his collabs with jay ryan, same thing - even though they're using the same method of lining, you can just see it's different. even with Angryblue's line work and Horkey's they're all different to me.. I would be interested in seeing some other artists that have the same flow as horkey's that he got his inspirations from.   2011-03-31 13:25:33
Mark McCormickSend Mark McCormick a message :   "Maybe i'm wrong, but I've not seen line work that flows like horkey's before."
Have you studied graphic art history? I have serious respect for Horkey and his work, but there have been heaps of equally talented illustrators, with similar line quality. Ammo is certainly, and heavily influenced by Horkey's style, but everyone's gotta start somewhere. "You can only become a good artist by copying the masters."
  2011-03-31 13:17:43
zlandrumSend zlandrum a message :   Richie, I think horkey's style is derivative, but in the sense of the actual flourishes, and filigrees. But i think that what Ammo is getting form horkey's style is more along the lines of horkey's style, with the distressing, chips out of the iron style lettering, the banner on the right, the colors, and just the overall line work. Maybe i'm wrong, but I've not seen line work that flows like horkey's before. A lot of purposeful "mistakes" in his work. And i see that throughout Ammo's posters too- not the same derivatives that horkey's inspired by. After saying that I'm going to bounce before i get in too deep.   2011-03-31 11:57:43
Mark McCormickSend Mark McCormick a message :   hate saying it, but richie's right.   2011-03-31 11:25:34
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   Man, I don't know. I think I know what you're saying. I just stepped up to the plate to say what I'm sure some others were thinking, too. I'm not knockin' it either way either. I'm gonna dip outta here now before I get in too deep.   2011-03-31 11:02:19
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   And this isn't even on the same planet as a Horky illustration.   2011-03-31 10:45:21
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   But isn't Horky's style derivative anyways? Is this derivative of Horky or just the style that Horky derives from?   2011-03-31 10:43:41
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   I'll be the bad guy. Horkey.   2011-03-31 10:13:36
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   I am also not aware. Someone link.   2011-03-31 09:42:40
vastaghSend vastagh a message :   Who's High Pitch?   2011-03-31 08:57:22
bingybunnySend bingybunny a message :   I have to go fold some laundry now.   2011-03-30 23:15:09
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   I guess you do.   2011-03-30 23:02:29
bingybunnySend bingybunny a message :   do i have to say ?   2011-03-30 22:49:53
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   Of?   2011-03-30 22:41:57
bingybunnySend bingybunny a message :   Perhaps a bit too derivative ?   2011-03-30 22:37:16
RichieGoodtimesSend RichieGoodtimes a message :   What?   2011-03-30 22:26:15
stinkbaitSend stinkbait a message :   Seriously   2011-03-30 22:14:43
Iron Canvas StudiosSend Iron Canvas Studios a message :   wait...what?   2011-03-30 21:04:13
QuinineSend Quinine a message :   That is a tough one...   2011-03-30 19:20:07
dennyschmickleSend dennyschmickle a message :   ummmmm...   2011-03-30 19:07:38
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