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DESIGNER:

Art Chantry

VENUE:

Moe

Seattle

USA

SUBMITTED BY:

Art Chantry

2003-03-17 10:11:56

BANDS:

Sky Saxon
Bloodloss
Violet Ray

Sky Saxon Poster - Moe, Seattle - Art Chantry

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Punchgut :

it's only text it's not DNA
bless you needles

2005-07-18 00:10:40

philaarts.com :

i rest my case.

2003-09-15 13:59:14

RichieGoodtimes :

That's 20 minutes longer than I usually spend.

2003-09-15 13:58:22

philaarts.com :

it was only done in 30 mintues richie.

2003-09-15 13:57:07

RichieGoodtimes :

I've been ignoring all of this.
But upon further review...I don't think this is very good type or layout.

2003-09-15 13:55:25

philaarts.com :

. :freak:

2003-09-15 13:52:16

ENothing :

The food. It's made from seeds. Sky is from The Seeds, too.

2003-09-15 13:34:32

philaarts.com :

the band bread? or like bread to eat?
or money bread?

2003-09-15 13:27:30

Punchgut :

ac and the bear wrote:" i miis the time when everybody was at flatstock. this was such a great site for over a week. now it sucks again. "....if you want my alone attention again art ...just ask...just call my name and i'll be there

2003-09-15 13:24:59

ENothing :

I like bread.

2003-09-15 11:07:20

odysseyzine :

I appreciate Art's comments on the boards. I'm not a designer. You can look at my posters to determine that. I am one of the thousands of hacks that has been fortunate enough to make a flyer from time to time. I have a general interest in posters like I have a general interest in other things, like the Minnesota Twins, or Backgammon.
But Art's comments inspire me to at least think about technique. He's been around the block, and some people use that as an opportunity to cut him down, rather than learn from him.
Also, I think most of the comments directed at Art seem to be designed to get some sort of reaction, so you everyone can continue calling him some bitter old crank... I like that he calls everyone on their shit.

2003-09-15 09:26:51

art chantry :

brendan -
that's for that. it really is nice to know that eveything i think and feel is a stupid pointless waste of time.
that was a really productive and enriching remark.
(please note that the above remark was intended as sarcasm.)
i've gotta go now. enjoy.

2003-09-15 09:23:32

art chantry :

i've learned to adopt the habit of "lurking" (as frank calls it) after i sign off, because so many people here seemt o have developed a technique of intentionally waiting until people log off before really going after themin a naty way. i've often just sat and waited quietly and watched a half-dozen really cruel posts from people who seem to think it's safer than doing such a post while i'm activlely logged on the board.
what does that say about this place? not much good.
from now on, when i log off, i'm going back to my real life. this site can deal with itself in it's own way without me just fine. i only hope that some of what i posted this mornign can be read impassively (as i've written it) and sparks a little thought and maybe a touch of concern about our behavior here.
i miis the time when everybody was at flatstock. this was such a great site for over a week. now it sucks again.
why is that?

2003-09-15 09:20:30

Brendan Jordan :

Not even gonna read all of these comments, I can already tell this entire conversation is a waste of everyone's time.

2003-09-15 09:16:04

art chantry :

phill -
if you read the post, you'll see that that 'shoolyard question' was directed at mmm, not you.
as for not understanding what you're saying, well, i really don't think you have clue as to how mean and awful some of your little 'quips' come off. some of them are really nasty - and it's disquised as humor. so to rspond defensivley is to lose because 'you can't ake a joke". it really doesn't absolve you of responsibility for the "attacking" remark.
a similar thing would be me saying "hey you're really stupid". and meaning it as a joke in respoinse to something i read that you wrote - especially something you really cared about..
well, that's not a joke. that's not funny. that's biting and cruel.
do YOU understand ME?

2003-09-15 09:11:38

standard :

I was guessing at the "svelte" part. I've only seen pictures of you from the neck up.

2003-09-15 09:07:33

philaarts.com :

art if you dont get what i wrote i cant explain it any clearer.
i dont remember comparing this to a schoolyard and dont really need to talk semantics about it either.
just gave you my viewpoint. if you dont see it or agree, that just dandy with me.

2003-09-15 09:06:04

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Yes Art at times this site resembles a schoolyard. At times this site is a great thriving place to learn, share ideas, joke around, have fun.

2003-09-15 09:04:52

art chantry :

phill -
i don't. i'm only talking about my personal experience her, becaue that is what i know best. that really, honestly doesn't mean that i think it the ONLY experience. it's not an arrogant position, it's a personal position. whay is that so difficult for everybody to understand? i can't talk about your experince, because i don't KNOW it.
mmm - are you comparing this site to a schoolyard?
i had really hoped for much more than that with this place. if that's all this is, then what's the point of it?

2003-09-15 09:02:30

art chantry :

standard -
i know that was gentle (even affectionate) humor, but let's be honest. my personality and my person and what you've imagined them to be is totally out of order on this site. character assasination can work in complex and tangenital ways. my personality should NOT be an issue. my ideas and my experience and my thoughts are what's at issue.
if you must knwo, i'm a difficult but good person. i live a life of rather high ideals that has become more of a curse than an asset. i get myself stuck in corners a lot because what i feel and what i say and what i do don't always line up properly.
stangely , it's a lot like you and anybody else on this site or elsewhere.
and THAT's where should be on this site. people, not fantasies.

2003-09-15 08:59:20

victor_howitzer :

I would consider two-faced PMing everyone telling them I thought you were a dickhead (which I don't)and then showering you with compliments where you could see them. Just because I think you're a great designer doesn't mean I think you have a great personality, or at least you don't convey it well here. Limited by the form? I don't know.

2003-09-15 08:57:13

Michael M. Motorcycle :

I actually am not a fan of namecalling to hurt. My wife and I have a saying in our house that teasing should make people feel good not bad. I try and live by that. Whenever I'm pissed for real with someone I always try and discuss the problem, and never resort to calling names. It accomplishes nothing. I know Jeph and Dave and really was just joking with them. I'm sorry that your feelings got hurt by people calling you fat or whatever. That can cause damage that can last a long time. My father made some comments about me the last time I saw him and it took me months to get my self esteem back to a healthy level. Honestly though, when it starts with you, it might be best just to back off completely and it would all just end. Everyone knows now how to push your buttons. It really is like the kids in school that would get picked on. As soon as everyone found out they would react it was game on. I'm not trying to provoke you by the way.

2003-09-15 08:56:43

philaarts.com :

art- you said what you thought.
so ill be sincere as i can. why do YOU think most of these "differences" involve you? you dont have to answer. just something that you might want to consider.
and i dont think my joking with people is nasty. heck the contents of many posters here are alot more "objectionable" in our society.
just what i think. i dont fight with anyone here. yet you and i have scrapped many times. if you think that you never instigated some of these situations... you really need to think again.

2003-09-15 08:55:49

standard :

You know what I think of you, Chantry? Do you REALLY want to know? I think you're svelte and young and into it and sane and a smarty.

2003-09-15 08:53:24

art chantry :

victor -
my impression of you was that in one thread you trashed me in the most venal way and in the next post you highly compliment my work.
wouldn't you see that as a bit two-faced?
but your honesty and you willingness to talk openly about things without resorting to namecalling (and yes, i've called names, too. and i'm not proud of my anger) is what is needed here.
i think you've done well on this sight and have become a real asset. that's more than i can say for many of the "more important" names here.

2003-09-15 08:52:24

art chantry :

mmm -
i would generally agree wit you - most folks on this site are wellintention folks just playing around. jeph is by no means the nasties (although his remarks can be biting and cruel) and phill is nasty but seldom cruel. however, others seems to constantly look for openings to jump in and trash in "humorous" ways. even don rickles feels the need to say "hey it's a joke" afterward. for many folks on the site, these are NOT jokes and really can't be disguised as such.
i think mush would be improved by not calling me fat and old and outof it and psycho and a moron and saying fuck you. those are meant to hurt in the deepest possible way. and, honestly, i don't deserve it any more than jeph or phill or you.
so, i wish it would simply not happen, but i know it won't stop.
i' going to try to coninue being involved in this site, but it's a trial at best. i don't know how many attacks i can take. the pack mentality has to tone down.

2003-09-15 08:48:28

victor_howitzer :

dude anything I've said is my IMPRESSION of you. Its how you come across to me. I figured it was admirable to be straight up front about it than not saying anything at all. Anything I've ever said to you I would tell a friend to his face.
I mean you got your own impressions of people. You said you thought I was two-faced. I don't think so, but fuck it I'm not going to argue over it. You're entitled to your opinion
You might be the coolest cat in 'real life'..but on here you come across to me as a little paranoid and stressed out. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

2003-09-15 08:44:51

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Art you have a point that is valid in some instances. Actually my wife and I were having a similar conversation tonight. I believe that Philadave and Jeph know that I mean everything with love. There was actually not a drop of meaness directed at either one of them, and I'm positive that they know this. Emoticons help to convey this as well.

2003-09-15 08:42:59

philaarts.com :

. :o get a pair of glasses.

2003-09-15 08:42:18

art chantry :

ok, now go back and look at what happened in this thread after i mentioned 'watching closely". see what happened?
it's intense and painful to read what those people write. it's awful, really. people seems to ignore the simple fact that we are people here, and i have feelings, too.
so, when anybody would read that sort of remark, it would result in offense. it's SUPPOSED to.

2003-09-15 08:40:04

Jeph :

Everyone here KNOWS I'm just fucking around...I...
ahhhhh fuck it, I give up.

2003-09-15 08:38:22

art chantry :

mmm -
but can't you see how dangerous in this medium that sort of "play" can be?
it reminds me of a guy i knew who was very into being jewish and very proud of his heritage. but he always thought it was funny to tell the most awful, rude, disgusting jewish jokes. he always seemed to think it was funny and perfectly ok because he was, after all, jewish. it was like black people calling each other the 'n-word.'
i pulled him aside and told him that i always thought that sort of humor only made it ok for others to use it as well. if you belittle yourself and your unique qualities, other more cruel-intended folks will use it as an opening to vent their worrst intentions.
he thought about for awhile and came back and we talked about it some and he decided i had a poiint. and he stopped making those awful jokes. and everybody in the office was GREATLY relieved.
my pint here is that making rude jokes only makes rudeness ok and then it gets ugly very fast. this medium is fragile and mis-interperetation happens profoundly and quickly.
i'm trying very hard to change my personal style to avoid those problems, but i also feel a deep personal need to take on those who use this forum as a battlefield - particularly those who fashion themselves as 'snipers' and those i see as total frauds. unfortunately, that drags me into their little wars. so i look bad, too.
i would much rather it not start.

2003-09-15 08:37:26

philaarts.com :

what do you mean by "spread"... is that a cut on my house??!!!

2003-09-15 08:36:18

standard :

Hey, fellas! How was your weekends? PM me!
Love, Tom

2003-09-15 08:35:38

Jeph :

EVERYTHING I say is a joke, I come here for fun and entertainment, not to argue with people, and everyone gets that except a few.
I mean only to spread LOVE... :heart:

2003-09-15 08:34:47

victor_howitzer :

oh cool. Well...I don't have much else to add to that then.
Thanks for the answer

2003-09-15 08:33:20

Michael M. Motorcycle :

G''night Mary Ellen....

2003-09-15 08:33:18

Jeph :

I love you too Michael,...and Dave...and Art...
and..John Boy.

2003-09-15 08:32:11

philaarts.com :

jeph... some advice.. if you say anything.. then say "it was a joke" or "funny you took it the wrong way"... then you can thinly try to make pretend that it was so.

2003-09-15 08:31:16

Jeph :

Art how come everytime someone asks you a question, you think there's some alterior motive to it. You got serious issues dude.

2003-09-15 08:30:37

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Hey Jeph fuck you,you fuckin' fucktart..oh yeah, I lost myself there for a minute. I love you Jeph

2003-09-15 08:29:47

Jeph :

By the way Art, that remark was a JOKE, something you would know absolutely NOTHING about. Don't worry about what I say, if you don't like it move on, it wasn't directed at you, jack-off. Oops sorry Michael said no-name calling, I apologize for that.

2003-09-15 08:28:53

art chantry :

victor -
i'm going to assume that you're seriously asking me a question and that you aren't baiting me.
yeah, i taught for over 18 years. it gets into your blood. i enjoy sharing what i know, especially when the people i share it with enjoy it. it's fun and satisfying in ways i don't quite get.
but some peopl on this sight seem to think i'm talking down to them or being arrogant ot pompous or whatever. maybe they shouldn't listen to what i say, then, it seems to me.

2003-09-15 08:27:54

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Art if you're talking about this little side banter that we've got goin' on, it's nothing but play.

2003-09-15 08:26:44

Jeph :

Glad I could help Art.

2003-09-15 08:26:13

philaarts.com :

:happy:
my god. truly sad.

2003-09-15 08:26:09

victor_howitzer :

Art you ever considered teaching? You seem to really get off talking serious about all this stuff (Type, layout etc). I think you would be awsome at it. Plus like your heads a national treasure of scene history and design knowledge.
I would have killed to have someone like you dropping some knowledge on me as a college lad.
Serious question. I really am curious.

2003-09-15 08:23:55

art chantry :

jeph -
thanks for that. it's an absolutely PERFECT example of what i'm talking about. that remark was meant to belittle and hurt and was completely unecessary.
THAT's just the beginning of what i'm talking about.
now, that i've pointed out that remark, it will be interesting to watch what begins to happen in this thread (again).
watch carefully. and think.

2003-09-15 08:23:48

philaarts.com :

ironic :o

2003-09-15 08:23:42

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Jeph, my wife was raised in a femenist household, she won't put up with any of that shit. She will put that dirty bastard Dave in his place with ease... :lol:

2003-09-15 08:23:16

Jeph :

Michael watch out for Dave, he likes to get me to ask my wife VERY RUDE questions.

2003-09-15 08:19:20

art chantry :

i'm sure she would be flattered by that.
but she doesn't come to this site anymore because she can't take the rudeness. it hurts her to see what some people do on this site.
i think a LOT of people have split for the same reason.
i'm not innocent, i've been rude a lot in the past, but i've made huge strides. i care about this poster stuff, so i keep coming back (when i REALLY shouldn't).
so, anyway, be nicer and the site will dramatically improve in quality.
this definitely means you, too, frank.

2003-09-15 08:17:38

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Actually that all depends if you like a girl that jiggles when she walks, or if you like those bony Maxim girls. My wife jiggles. I like that.

2003-09-15 08:16:55

Michael M. Motorcycle :

She is...keep away from her. 8)

2003-09-15 08:13:32

philaarts.com :

cool man! i hope your wife is hot.

2003-09-15 08:11:42

art chantry :

look. this poster got posted originally when i was posting ALL of the 'moetivator' posters. it's not a very good poster, and i never normally show it to anybody. and yes, the type is simple and not very special (the whole poster was done in 1/2 an hour), but i thought it was sort of interesting. beyond that it means nothing, really.
needles was making a joke about distorting history (why, i don't really know), and theni made a joke about the "distorted" type. see? DISTORT history is easy, DISTORT type is hard. not much of a joke.
then the attack started that was was an arrogant self-hyping old loser or something. that seemed sotrt of strange and extreme, so i wanted to to find out more.
thenit escalated and i just kept trying to get needles (whoever he is) to back up what he was saying with calrification or example.
nothing i did was out of tline or weird.
it only gets weird when other people jump into the thread as an opportunity to say what a jerk i am, then everything turns into a pigfuck. if you go back an ONLY READ what i wrote and what needles wrote, you'll see clearly what i was doing. i was trying to get him to back up his bullshit with something - ANYTHING - but insults.
the rest of the thread is basica character assasination disguised as some sort of righteous dismissal of me.
i suggest in the future that you self-righteous sorts simply stay away from my discussion with poeple when i try to suss them out.
if you bother to go back and check the threads, you'll note none of that bad crap went on while certain folks were inactive on the thread (overseas or at flatstock). in fatc, i spent a LOT of time posting while everyone was away in order to keep the site active while you were gone. we had some really great discussions and very very little of the crap you see in this thread.
so, you may note that this is a distinct parallel here. i'm really not the one setting the tone here. i'm not being a jerk. i'm just countering what folk say and ask a lot of questions. sometimes i have to challenge them in order to get them to open up. sometimes, they won't open up and decide to call me old and fat or 'fuck you' or whatever. that is ok, it's normal. but not productive.
if you guys hate me so much, stay away from me. otherwise, let's talk and NOT call me names.
very simple. not crazy at all.

2003-09-15 08:06:58

art chantry :

2003-09-15 08:06:57

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Dave that is excellent and I think accurate. You and my wife are going to get along very well. She is a psych. fanatic. She can talk for hours about it. We have passage booked out your way for Thanksgiving.

2003-09-15 07:57:30

brian kroeker :

art is a master baiter. if you don't want a fight, ignore him. if you need to kill a couple of hours, and want some lively discussion, get into it. pretty simple?

2003-09-15 07:56:05

philaarts.com :

screw you mr tricycle.
what i think is that sometimes people have problems with issues in their past, and only way feel affirmed if the same thing is happening to others. hence they try to facilitate an environment thats confrontational in an attempt to recreate a past experience.
wait, im stupid i forgot.
xxoo
shit too late! its on my permanent record!

2003-09-15 07:39:20

Stefan Tijs :

Hey guys, any one else here really likes Sky Saxon and The Seeds?! :D
I saw them a few months ago in Amsterdam and it was great. Actually it was just Sky Saxon backed up by some guys from the Makers and other guys who could be Sky's sons, but it was definitely a great show! 8)

2003-09-15 07:15:20

ferg2001 :

art is a bitter. bitter that he has lost his edge. he sees all of the amazing work here and instead of becoming inspired he gets pissed. he then tries desparately to find some thing less than what he deems as perfect to tear apart.
if he cant find that, he lanches another tried and true approach, we are all to familiar with: "baiting an arguement" This is the ultimate high for him, it doesnt matter what the subject is as long as there is anger and emotion involved.
its obvious to me that he is spiraling into some kind of twisted demensia, much like many child actors have experienced. he is having a hard time dealing with the lack of fame he once had.

2003-09-15 06:59:17

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Dave, ya fuckin' hippie ex therapist. :wink:

2003-09-15 06:11:35

philaarts.com :

jesus christ.
someone needs validation....

2003-09-15 05:30:30

greymatter :

enuff z'nuff

2003-09-14 23:24:45

Michael M. Motorcycle :

Stinkbait, I agree with you that there has been a lot of negative treatment from Art. Anger has provoked a lot of other folks to direct their feelings negatively towards Art as well. This whole thread has just been fun for everyone involved. If no one wanted to be involved with this, they would simply not respond. Ignoring Art is probably a very good idea for some, especially if those folks don't want to get into this kind of thing again. Just for the record, name calling is a VERY ineffective means of communication. There are far more intelligent ways to get a point across. Unless you just don't want to. :D

2003-09-14 23:03:15

stinkbait :

Opinons are one thing guys. This behavior is something completely different. There are great conversations that have been had with Art. This weekend there were none. It's not about his art it's about the way he treats people. That's all.

2003-09-14 22:50:24

raindog138 :

"Encouraging some group effort to shut some guy up, just because you don't like what he's saying seems a little like grade school to me"
i second that emotion.
everyone's is entitled to their opinions. certainly art.

2003-09-14 22:45:31

kozik :

Gigposters=punchbowl
Chantry=turd

2003-09-14 22:44:02

odysseyzine :

I'm probably not adding anything all that important here, as someone who doesn't really contribute a whole hell of a lot to the community, but don't most "communities" host their share of conflicts? I get a kick out of reading everyone's back & forth on this site. Especially the the fights. I don't know about you, but I couldn't imagine a gigposters without Art Chantry. I also don't think I could pass up the opportunity to say something about his posters if I so desired (I don't recall ever making any comments about Art's posters, but I've always liked his stuff). Encouraging some group effort to shut some guy up, just because you don't like what he's saying seems a little like grade school to me.

2003-09-14 22:39:28

greymatter :

vector effects.

2003-09-14 22:37:45

greymatter :

holy shit, this is rediculous. why do i feel the need to comment? what was that about needles being from austin? are you, needles?
needles! answer me! ARE YOU FROM AUSTIN?!?!? oh. this isn't IM its a php BOARD. (duh)
about that comment concerning austin. yeah, sure we are snobs, but we know how to laugh at ourselves. i guess an 85% chance of rain relieves certain people of that obligation (one of life's most rewarding tricks)
also. (not to be a fucktard, art, but...)
art chantry 2003-09-14 17:36:21
needles -
this is really very simple. you started this whole thread to pick a fight with me. ok, you got it. so, why back down now?
--he didn't start this "thread". you submitted your "flyer".
almost the only intellegent thing in this series of comments:
needles 2003-09-13 17:15:42
see, it's easy to distort history. go ahead, try it. you'll like it.

2003-09-14 22:33:03

kozik :

10-4 good buddy

2003-09-14 22:05:40

stinkbait :

If everyone will completely ignore Art regardless of what he says he will eventually go away. He's getting his jollies antagonizing everyone here so I'm done playing his game. If no one will play along with him he has nothing to do but rant to himself. It will be fun to watch how far he spirals to try and get one of us to bite when we all treat him like he doesn't exist. He has chosen to offer nothing positive to me or any of you. While he was once relevant he has now been left behind thanks to the desire for the majority of us to come together in a true community. Art was invited to join and has chosen to decline through his actions here. There will never be another reply to Art Chantry from me ever, period. I suggest you all do the same.
Everyone have a good night. I'm working on a poster so I know I will.

2003-09-14 22:03:00

Jeph :

AHA!!!!!!

2003-09-14 21:46:04

MaximumFluoride :

art chantry 2003-09-14 16:46:52
ok, i'll spel it out.
from the beginning of this thread, you've been apparently making rather vile rmearks that seem to me to be directed at me and my "aharacter". yet, you seem to think that you aren't insulting me.
are you stupid or lying? ---------------------------------
Isn' this pretty much EXACTLY what you did to Stinkbait (Peveto)in the Jason Austin thread? isn't it? It sure looks like it to me.

2003-09-14 21:45:01

Jeph :

I love TONS of Art's stuff, this one in particular does nothing for me, but it's all opinion in the end.

2003-09-14 21:40:56

MaximumFluoride :

For the record I like this flyer. i even think the text is cool.
Go figure.

2003-09-14 21:34:58

Jeph :

art chantry 2003-09-14 17:27:06
so, i guess that means you are accepting the challenge?
i did it in about 1/2 hour.
It looks like it.

2003-09-14 21:27:01

victor_howitzer :

Art comes across to me in his posts as Paranoid and stressed out and maybe having some issues with control. :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

2003-09-14 21:19:12

Jeph :

Art Chantry = Professional "victim". :roll:

2003-09-14 21:14:08

robschwager :

martyr complex.

2003-09-14 21:05:15

MaximumFluoride :

Art,
So when you provoke somebody into attack mode it's called "lifting the curtain" but when somebody (needles) does the same to you it's somehow different? You need some perspective. From where most people sit what you did to Peveto and what Needles did to you are pretty much the same thing.
How come your the only one who really can't find a way to get along with people here? I don't believe for one second that frank had anything to do with the way you are treated here. See, I was here when you first showed up. You had these same problems before Frank. This I know for a fact. Take some resposabilty for your situation. Frank is not to blame for ALL of your problems on this site.
Total bullshit.
I was here, I saw how shit went down. Thats one of the perks of having been the first 4 or 5 persons on this site. I have seen it ALL go down. Every last thing. But I'm sure you'll say I have somehow been mean to you all along so i have no perspective myself. Say what you want, I know the truth. I'n generaly not an asshole to someone without a reason. Generaly.

2003-09-14 21:01:36

8ball :

Are you guys sure that Art Chantry is a guy?

2003-09-14 20:48:43

MaximumFluoride :

Kozik wrote: kozik 2003-09-14 20:21:15
nope. Williams lived in North Hollywood for like 35 years and him and wis wife just moved into a big old house in Chatsworth. I'm going to go down there next week.
Chatsworth is the town just north of me. Like 5 minutes from my house. I ahd no idea Williams just moved here? Excellent!

2003-09-14 20:47:39

art chantry :

unitus -
look, i'm serious , i gotta go.
but i just want to say that i HAVBE met many of these people. i've also met a lot of people who have different views about many of them than you do. it's all sorta relative. i just react to the way they treat me here. the result is,
me no like them, niether.. seems fair to me.
tit for tat and all that.

2003-09-14 20:36:11

Unitus :

i'm not trying to be snide or cute or anything with this, but Art-i think you would really benefit by MEETING some of these people face to face.
this internet "chat" doesn't seem to work too well for you.
a suggestion: go to the next flatstock, in austin.

2003-09-14 20:33:57

art chantry :

whatever, frank.
you still have no respect from me anymore, either.
i gotta go. dinner.

2003-09-14 20:33:55

robschwager :

there's a scene?? :o

2003-09-14 20:33:29

kozik :

your squabbles with others have nothing to do with me.
it has to do with your irritating negativity and 'talking down' to everyone all the time.
You make ONE trip to ONE of the API events and meet everyone and have a few conversations, you'd be amazed at the difference. These ppeople are REAL, are NICE..it's VERY DIFFERENT from the way it was 10-15 years ago. I know, I was there THEN and here NOW..there IS 'community'.
none of it is a ploy or power grab or turf battle or any of that other shit.
this new crowd has got it's shit together. Most of these people you fight with have full successfull lives and careers, families..outside of 'the scene'. makes them a lot more three dimensional when they are within the scene.

2003-09-14 20:32:13

art chantry :

if you are referring to the factor 27 folks as "his friends", they insulted themselves. i just fueld them and let them rip.
actually READ what they wrote. nothing i could have possibly said could have solicited that response unless there was some really nasty stuff going on there backstage. i just threw open the curtain a tad.
they did the rest.

2003-09-14 20:31:21

art chantry :

ya see, frank - once you started flipping shit at me waaay back when you firs came on this site, you made it ok for everybody to feel free to use me as a poke. what the hell am i supposed to do?
i come on here and ask a simple question and sometimes people just decide it's a great place to flip as much shit as they can.
it's a style that was dying out on this site, but when you came on here, it immediately became bigg bluster and chest beating attack mode.
damn, i wish we could just talk her.
i much prefer juct talking rather that trying to figure out how to dodge bullets.

2003-09-14 20:28:17

kozik :

you ever stop to consider that you insulted some friends of his?
you know Art, you made some cool artwork but your social skills are a bit lacking.

2003-09-14 20:26:42

robschwager :

more like a donkey puncher....

2003-09-14 20:26:09

art chantry :

sorry. don't buy it.
he was a jerk to me from square one.
i give what i get.
i'm a counter-puncher.

2003-09-14 20:24:11

kozik :

you pissed off one hell of a sweet guy, a guy a lot nicer than he needs to be.
Needles is what used to be known as a 'square yegg'...a member of the Johnson family in good standing.

2003-09-14 20:22:45

art chantry :

so, spill the beans.

2003-09-14 20:21:45

robschwager :

do you REALLY have to ask Art...?

2003-09-14 20:21:41

kozik :

nope. Williams lived in North Hollywood for like 35 years and him and wis wife just moved into a big old house in Chatsworth. I'm going to go down there next week.

2003-09-14 20:21:15

art chantry :

i give up.
who did i piss off this time?

2003-09-14 20:20:47

art chantry :

oh, oh.
robert williams lives there doesn't he?

2003-09-14 20:20:08

kozik :

or leastaways his facility is there.

2003-09-14 20:20:07

kozik :

no idea where he was born and raised. he lives in Venice now.
California.

2003-09-14 20:19:32

art chantry :

got me there, robert.

2003-09-14 20:19:22

robschwager :

isnt EVERYONE from Heaven Arthur?

2003-09-14 20:18:53

art chantry :

frank?

2003-09-14 20:18:47

art chantry :

coulda fooled me.
where's he from - heaven?

2003-09-14 20:17:50

kozik :

neither am I . I was born in Torrejon.

2003-09-14 20:17:41

art chantry :

frank - you gonna pass that up?

2003-09-14 20:17:06

kozik :

Needles is not from Austin

2003-09-14 20:17:06

art chantry :

hey, i'm back.
any really great snide remarks from the guy who wouldn't put any actions where his mouth was?
oh, excellent! the old 'you're off yer meds" combined with the one-two upper cut "i'm worried about your mental health" one-liner. excellent!
all i can say is those austin people seem to think that anybody who doesn't think that they are infallable and god's gift must be mentally ill. it keeps coming up.
nah, i'm just 'jason austin wierd"
you know - a loser.
just like you folks - if you ever look in a mirror without kissing it.

2003-09-14 20:15:24

er code blue :

If that Raelian cult can clone a kid, nothing is impossible.

2003-09-14 19:35:33

Bryan :

everybody knows that.

2003-09-14 19:31:47

er code blue :

DNA manipulation ain't that hard. It's just..isolation, restriction, ligation, transformation, selection, electrophoresis, and blot transfer.

2003-09-14 19:23:50

needles :

and here i thought it was opposible thumbs. i'll keep working on it.

2003-09-14 18:19:35

kozik :

dude! Proper typography is the only thing dividing us from the animals.
plus he got a write up in the NEW YORKER.

2003-09-14 18:11:52

needles :

geeze, what did i say? that guy takes type very seriously, huh? next time i'll actually look at the poster before i comment on it. :)

2003-09-14 18:09:23

kozik :

he had to go to the hardware store and by a bunch of wind-up timers. the revolution is near at hand.

2003-09-14 18:09:07

needles :

is that all there is? art...ART! We support you dude. Take as much time as you need. We love you even if you don't love you.

2003-09-14 18:06:43

kozik :

I'm telling you..enlarged prostate. it's fucking up his chemical balance..plus all those annoying trips to the bathroom.

2003-09-14 18:06:19

brian kroeker :

i don't think art would make it out of austin alive...

2003-09-14 18:03:31

needles :

Art, do us all a favor and seek some help. i found a link to a service in your area. I'm worried about you. you have mis-interpreted just about everything everyone has ever said on here. http://www.dmh.missouri.gov/
good luck

2003-09-14 18:02:30

art chantry :

needles -
look. i'm going to log off. this is your opportunity to really call me some intellectually and emotionally satisfying names without to face me. ok?
please, take your time and come up with some really good stuff.
remeber, i won't be back for a while, and you can run and hide again.

2003-09-14 18:02:30

kozik :

well...see..we got this thing called api where we all get together a couple times a year and hang out.
in real life.
it's a gas.
you should check it out.
I mean..how much can greyhound fare from St Loius to Austin run anyways?

2003-09-14 18:00:10

art chantry :

frank -
he's just some anonymous jackass to me.
at least YOU have the decency to not hide your identity.

2003-09-14 17:58:28

art chantry :

20 bucks.
i'll put up twenty bucks.
if it's so easy and lame, then it's a quick 20. free money.
you can make me eat it.

2003-09-14 17:57:18

kozik :

oh man if you only knew...sweet!

2003-09-14 17:57:04

art chantry :

needles?

2003-09-14 17:56:18

art chantry :

needles_
how would cartman put it?
naaaa nana nanaaaaaaa!
does that piss you off?
prove it. take my challenge.

2003-09-14 17:55:35

kozik :

its only 35 bucks a year.

2003-09-14 17:53:51

art chantry :

chicken.

2003-09-14 17:53:41

art chantry :

frank - shut up.
needles??
you there?

2003-09-14 17:53:26

needles :

Failure. Adversity is sometimes hard for a man Art; but for one man who can stand prosperity, there are a hundred that will stand adversity. You are a sour puss loser dude. There a milliopns of challenges I could put in front of you that I'm sure you'd fail. Go change your diaper.

2003-09-14 17:53:05

kozik :

dude..in the last 3 days you have managed to offend some of the nicest people i've ever met.
it is simply astounding.
like..you have officially gone 'clinical'.
when you joining API?

2003-09-14 17:52:56

art chantry :

needles -
c'mon. you have a perfect opportunity to show me exactly full of shit i am.

2003-09-14 17:51:57

art chantry :

frank - shut up. nothing you ever say has any weight with me anymore.

2003-09-14 17:51:22

kozik :

I'll give you a hint Chantry...
he held HIGH political office for nearly a decade on an international scale.

2003-09-14 17:50:41

art chantry :

needles? prove me wrong.

2003-09-14 17:50:29

art chantry :

actually, you can easily prove me wrong...

2003-09-14 17:49:33

kozik :

it's s o wrong.. the seeds should be capitalized wed should be capitalised
MOE should bu upper and lower case
too much neg space upper right hand side
face in mirror should be reversed.
needs gradients.
-Professor Dandruff

2003-09-14 17:49:29

needles :

The nature of your complaint is first crude, then severe, then benign, then delicate, finally dissolute. Blow me. You are an ass, and a bore. Tell us another story fat man. You got a million of them.

2003-09-14 17:48:58

art chantry :

brian, read the whole quote. that was rhetorical. it was meant as humor.
i can't help it if needles is an idiot.

2003-09-14 17:48:26

brian kroeker :

"but try and distort type like that sometime. i dare you."
that's some challenge! it's like some bizzarro world WWF-style call out. so serious... :roll:

2003-09-14 17:47:05

art chantry :

needles -
actually, i feel disappointed. i was actually hoping he'd do some cool type that would blow me away.
instead i just got a blow job from frank.

2003-09-14 17:47:01

kozik :

'Historay never repaets itself,humans always do"
-Voltaire

2003-09-14 17:46:18

needles :

i just a bag a wind. wow, you got me. riddle me this batman, is that your head, or did your neck throw up? pm me your address. i have something i want to send you.

2003-09-14 17:46:17

kozik :

baby don't fear the corndog be like tey are c'mon baby dont fear the corndog

2003-09-14 17:45:31

art chantry :

ok, well....
i guess you just wanted to insult me after all.
i was hoping to learn something.

2003-09-14 17:44:16

kozik :

i could go for some pork chops.

2003-09-14 17:44:01

art chantry :

c'mon needles - at this point i just want to see if you're total bullshit or if you really have any chops.
c'mon. humor all of us.
think of it as entertainment.

2003-09-14 17:42:44

kozik :

Billions served.

2003-09-14 17:41:51

art chantry :

needles -
so, you're asying no?
so you're just a windbag?

2003-09-14 17:40:50

art chantry :

needles -
don't go away. this is your chance to proive what a creep and loser i am.

2003-09-14 17:40:01

kozik :

like sweet delicious ice cream.

2003-09-14 17:39:54

needles :

Art, your praises have very musical and charming accents in the mouths of others, but sound very flat and untunable in your own. You love to hear yourself talk, don't you? Your shit is/was average at best. You were the laughing stock of the majority of those bands you were doing posters for in the late 80's. we used to rip your shit down and wipe our asses with your flyers. Yet somehow, you have this impression that what you DID was so wonderful. Lame at best. keep trying you old tub dumper.

2003-09-14 17:39:53

art chantry :

needles -
did frank scare you off?
don't worry about him. he melts down fast.

2003-09-14 17:39:15

kozik :

i'm gonna have to upgrade to an Extra Strength Depends for this one, such is the amount of urine forced from my bladder.

2003-09-14 17:38:51

art chantry :

needles - you still there?

2003-09-14 17:37:50

kozik :

hahahahahaahaahahaahaahahah

2003-09-14 17:37:19

art chantry :

needles -
this is really very simple. you started this whole thread to pick a fight with me. ok, you got it. so, why back down now?

2003-09-14 17:36:21

kozik :

bite me. Needles is and has been about a million times more 'influential' on popular culture than you could ever aspire too in your most malarial fever dreams. you picking a totally wrong fight here bucko.

2003-09-14 17:36:12

art chantry :

frank -
stay out of this. don't make things worse again

2003-09-14 17:35:17

kozik :

it's so awesome how chantry backs up jagoffs like J Austin and gets in fights with people who have their shit together. hahahahahaahahahahahahahahaah

2003-09-14 17:34:33

art chantry :

needles -
c'mon. put up or shutup.

2003-09-14 17:33:39

Unitus :

okay. keep me outta this. i'll continue to spectate.

2003-09-14 17:33:36

kozik :

goddamn im horny.
where's the cat?

2003-09-14 17:32:53

art chantry :

how about we volunteer unitus?

2003-09-14 17:32:46

needles :

No doubt Art that you are the child of your time; but woe to him if he is also its disciple, or even its favorite. old man.

2003-09-14 17:32:22

art chantry :

unitus- read it again.

2003-09-14 17:31:50

Unitus :

"it's only text. it's not DNA."
this started all this? you guys are wacky. too bad sarcasm and wit don't come across easily on the internet.

2003-09-14 17:31:09

art chantry :

well, you could ask your mom to jury it.
suggestions?

2003-09-14 17:30:23

needles :

ha, only the author himself is the best judge of his own performance; none has so deeply meditated on the subject; none is so sincerely interested in the event. you are a demigod. what di i get?

2003-09-14 17:29:33

art chantry :

well? your response is?

2003-09-14 17:29:26

art chantry :

so, i guess that means you are accepting the challenge?
i did it in about 1/2 hour.
how about i give you 24 hours to come up with it?
you can post it in the comments area to morrow about this time for everyone to see.
if it looks ok, i'll give you my (unwanted by you) respect.

2003-09-14 17:27:06

needles :

yeah, i'm squigging from your brilliant questions. too funny

2003-09-14 17:25:55

needles :

if i can do the type, will that make you feel better? do you really need to act like type is so goddamned hard to manipulate? you're joking right? cause if i could replicate that type, how would it make you feel? wouldn't it bother you a bit? what would you do then? you would be forced to challenge me on something else, right? ok, art. that type is impossible to replicate. sorry for suggesting that your bragging about how wonderful it is was anything but aknowledgement of something i should have seen as obvious. that that type is supreme. forgive me for questioning it's brilliance.

2003-09-14 17:25:12

art chantry :

well?
thinking it over?
or squigging?

2003-09-14 17:24:14

art chantry :

needles -
ok, so what about my little challenge?
try to do that type.

2003-09-14 17:19:32

needles :

so it's you who wants to fight, huh big shot. i won't back down because i could give a shit about you and mental illness. what exactly didn't you appreciate about my comments art? you're so easily hurt. Enlighten us to as to your displeasure. inquiring minds want to know.

2003-09-14 17:18:39

art chantry :

so, what you're saying is, i guess, that you want to fight me because i called you on your bullshit?
doesn't that make you a bit of a jackass?

2003-09-14 17:15:21

needles :

what ever excuse works for you. i don't want to fight you art. i just like watching you make an ass of yourself, over and over and over. for i guy who has all the awswers, you sure ask a lot of questions.

2003-09-14 17:14:07

art chantry :

needles -
i'm waiting for an answer.

2003-09-14 17:13:21

art chantry :

maybe your crazy. i dunno.
so, you want to fight me because...
well, because why?

2003-09-14 17:10:16

needles :

by who's standards?

2003-09-14 17:08:15

art chantry :

i guess your just not a very nice person, right?

2003-09-14 17:07:35

needles :

"no, this is only about you.
you start commenting on my poster and start to say personally directed and rude things to me, and then i call you on it and you squig out.
i guess i think you're some sort of chickenshit at this point.
maybe i should turn my back on you or sonething? then you could run up and kick me and run away again before i turn around?" who's the chicken shit? Captain Victim re-read my comments. If you see me attacking you and you don't like it, then choose yer seconds. you're delusional. i'll say what i like.

2003-09-14 17:06:45

art chantry :

oh, i GET it!
you're from AUSTIN, right?
in 'austinese" you're saying you love me!

2003-09-14 17:04:07

art chantry :

i dunno. is the only way you can interact with people? insult them and challenge them to a fight?
what did i ever do to you?
are you just zany?

2003-09-14 17:01:40

needles :

jihad on you motherfucker.

2003-09-14 17:01:24

needles :

haha you're a piece of work dude. only you would talke my comments as a personal attack. i don't hit from behind asshole. i'll send you my address. are you callin me out fucktard?

2003-09-14 16:59:59

art chantry :

no, this is only about you.
you start commenting on my poster and start to say personally directed and rude things to me, and then i call you on it and you squig out.
i guess i think you're some sort of chickenshit at this point.
maybe i should turn my back on you or sonething? then you could run up and kick me and run away again before i turn around?

2003-09-14 16:57:36

needles :

what's bothering you mr. chantry? i mean really bothering you? this is not about me is it? don't like my comments? did i pierce your fragile veneer? you make a lot of statements. god forbid anyone else have an opinion that differs from yours. i like making fun of people. you are an easy target i guess. i'm like a dog who smells blood and can't resist taking a bite myself. so sue me fecal loop. i really don't care. i hate everything and nothing. any other questions?

2003-09-14 16:55:25

art chantry :

needles logged off.
i guess i'll never find out, now.

2003-09-14 16:54:15

art chantry :

well?

2003-09-14 16:49:36

art chantry :

ok, i'll spel it out.
from the beginning of this thread, you've been apparently making rather vile rmearks that seem to me to be directed at me and my "aharacter". yet, you seem to think that you aren't insulting me.
are you stupid or lying?

2003-09-14 16:46:52

needles :

i'm commenting in a public forum. am i missing something here?

2003-09-14 16:45:17

art chantry :

well? i'm waiting for an explanation of what it is you think you're doing.

2003-09-14 16:44:32

art chantry :

needles -
by the way, if you're not insulting me, what the hell are you doing?

2003-09-14 16:41:01

art chantry :

needles -
ok, you try it. i'll bet you that you can't even come close to pulling this thing off.
pick other bands and date/time/place and see if you can do it.

2003-09-14 16:40:21

needles :

you see every commenr as a personal attack. Nothing in your assumptions about the comments of others is so astonishing as the amount of ignorance you perpertrate in the form of inert facts. keep trying. Sooner or later you're bound to hit the nail on the head.

2003-09-14 16:39:26

art chantry :

needles, so it was basically a personal insult?

2003-09-14 16:36:32

needles :

i don't see anything so special about this type. tootin yer own horn again there Lord Acton?

2003-09-14 16:34:45

art chantry :

hey needles -
i know yer on the board - you just posted.
so, why do you think typography is "not dna"?
don't you respect typography or lettering?

2003-09-14 16:31:47

art chantry :

frank -
thanks for ever-so unsolicited input, but i was asking needles.
besides, i sorta figgered he was saying what you think he said, like it's not hard to do what i did. like lettering and typography is simple.
does he realize that with that remark he likely belittled better than half of the designers on this site? it's akin to saying "cartooning is easy and of no merit". you don't think more than just one person wouldn't be offended by that? needles may be smartass, but he's not very smart.
so, anyway, needles. it may not be rocket science, but it IS art. basically, i fall back on the old argument," if it's so easy. let's see you do it".
you got any guts?

2003-09-14 06:37:13

MaximumFluoride :

My wife would never, ever eat at McDonalds so i think I'm safe. She does seem to like Gilbert though. Oh well, at least I know my kids will be well taken care of financialy.

2003-09-14 01:05:46

kozik :

Ladies like them french fries.

2003-09-14 01:02:35

MaximumFluoride :

He called my house tonight just to talk to my wife. Now that he is single he thinks he can roll up on my wife? Fucker better stay away from my old lady or I'll kill his clown ass.

2003-09-14 00:46:08

kozik :

Free Fries For Life-cannot be argued with.

2003-09-14 00:40:29

MaximumFluoride :

Just don't even bother asking Needles anything. He's a fucking stupid clown mutherfucker. I'll kick his clown ass all the way from Venice Blved to Wadsworth St.
Fucking bitch ass clown.

2003-09-14 00:27:50

kozik :

what it means is that fucking with text is not difficult, where as fucking with DNA is very hard.
basically
'it's not rocket science'
or
'it's not brain surgery'.

2003-09-14 00:09:03

Punchgut :

first mistake-never ask needles a question that involves DNA.....he will ruin your stretch pants

2003-09-13 23:59:14

art chantry :

needles -
ok, you got me.
i have NO idea what that means. i i assume it's an insult, because that's what i ususally get from anybody. but i would be much nastier (and funnier) if you explained it.

2003-09-13 19:26:58

needles :

it's only text. it's not DNA.

2003-09-13 17:48:53

art chantry :

needles - you can distort history all you want - i don't care.
but try and distort type like that sometime. i dare you.

2003-09-13 17:39:38

needles :

see, it's easy to distort history. go ahead, try it. you'll like it.

2003-09-13 17:15:42

needles :

This poster was previously designed for the National Nostril Society. MOE commissioned the artist to produce s series of Xerox images depicting the horrors of plastic surgery. Upon completion, this magnum opus was entered into permanent exhibit at the Smithsonian Institute.

2003-09-13 17:09:58