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DESIGNER:
Mark Serlo 
VENUE:
The Fox Theater
Boulder
CO
USA
 
SUBMITTED BY:
serlo72Send serlo72 a message
2010-04-05 17:05:25
 
BANDS:
Band Of Horses



Band Of Horses Poster - The Fox Theater, Boulder - Mark Serlo



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EdnigmaSend Ednigma a message :   regardless of the drama surrounding this poster, i just want to say nice artwork, the design is very cool . VERY.   2010-07-23 05:15:53
JohnHowardSend JohnHoward a message :   "ANY promotion for a band is good for them, regardless of its origins."
oops
  2010-05-09 17:46:05
mikeageSend mikeage a message :   This site is an archive for actual posters for actual events. It is a historical record. Imagine going to a newspaper museum and some of the articles were fan-art(icles). You begin to doubt the legitimacy of others if you don't know which are real and which aren't.
In addition, just because you don't use a trademarked or copyrighted logo does not mean it's ok. Selling a poster based on a bands name is not cool if you don't have their permission. And saying you don't plan to sell them...unless someone contacts you? You plan to sell them. You just don't have the confidence to put it out there for sale. Get a classified, but make sure they know it's not a legit gigposter before they buy it.
  2010-04-10 08:30:30
JustinHeltonSend JustinHelton a message :   but, but, but...the point is, dont make shit with a bands name on it, if you are not being hired by the band or promoter to do it. simple as that.   2010-04-10 06:02:34
MrBlonde7Send MrBlonde7 a message :   Hey Serlo - could you start pointing out the other bootleg posters/artists so that your claims can be "legitimized?"
Note: The classified of the dude making bogus 18 dollar portraits will not support your case.
  2010-04-08 13:17:54
MaximumFluorideSend MaximumFluoride a message :   I'd love to hear this argument being told to the lawyers of a band or merch company.
  2010-04-08 13:02:52
strawberrylunaSend strawberryluna a message :   guhhh.
bootlegging, whether intentional or not, makes my job and the job of other legit poster artists REALLY hard because bands get mega pissed off about having their name on un-approved stuff. and rightfully so.
  2010-04-08 11:58:30
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   Yeah, but I wasn't trying really to sell anything, if someone contacted me personally I may consider it, but it's not like I have that intent with these...it's really more about TRYING to find work. Honestly man, I mean no harm here.   2010-04-08 11:29:25
steve wSend steve w a message :   it's not about "unwritten code" or your fee-wings. it's the LAW. you have no way of knowing what percentage of the posters here aren't "official", but even if you did, 2 wrongs don't make a right. Many people here support themselves from doing this legitimately (myself for 20 years) and bootleggers hurt us all. Would you sell drugs an the internet? If you got busted, how well would "they were doing it, too" or "it was just a little" stand up in court?   2010-04-08 11:22:51
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   Also, (now that I feel like some kind of unwelcome idiot),
please rewrite the submission guidelines to include a more specified type of poster to prevent anyone else from following the rules and getting this kind of response.
I was unaware there was an unwritten code, and having perused the site long before posting had seen posters of ALL sorts, (obviously official and obviously otherwise), I never expected so much derision, nor did I even realize I had done something "uncouth".
My feelings on the validity of any art are hardly something I would let be influenced by a website (be it a cool one or not!).
  2010-04-08 10:36:44
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   I agree in large part with what you have posted Scrojo..and working in the field I certainly have become used to working within the confines of a band and promoters needs and limitations, and as I said, if I could I would remove it..that being said I still find great validity in much of the unapproved art on this site (of which you and I both know there is alot of).   2010-04-08 10:23:58
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   "if it were consistently left up to management and corporations ALOT less good art would exist."
one of the reasons that i love the art of the gigposter is specifically that there are restrictions and limitations. it's not enough just to be a nice piece of art, it has to be an effective promotional tool.
  2010-04-08 10:18:48
scrojoSend scrojo a message :   "...again, WHY IS THAT BAD?"
besides being a place to look at pretty pictures this site works as a historical archive of the gigposter. different trends come and go and part of that is directly affected by the tastes of the bands and/or promoter ( and the need to get their approval ). to open submissions up to portfolio pieces destroys that aspect of the site. we do a pretty good job of self policing on this subject but..... if you know of a poster that isn't legit let us kno.
  2010-04-08 10:10:02
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   Caribou, just trying to clarify that I am not trying to rip anyone off, and lord knows I WISH I could make a living off of this, but such is not the case... hence taking commissions as they come and hoping for a break. Not trying to make anyone else's life harder, especially the musicians whose work inspires me to do mine.   2010-04-08 09:57:48
caribouSend caribou a message :   "truth be told the commissions I do receive from bands and management are A FRACTION of what they stand to make from my art, say $50 to $100 per piece and they stand to make anywhere from $500-$2000 on poster sales...."
then bump up your rates.
anyways, i wasn't arguing whether or not this particular poster (or others in that "commissioned but rejected" gray area) should be on this site, just pointing out that the reason for the venom is that you told a bunch of artists who make a living off of producing legitimate gig posters that you have produced and sold bootleg gig posters, thereby taking money out of the band's, venue's, and their pockets.
  2010-04-08 09:54:14
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   for the record, I do plenty of probono work for up and coming bands, and truth be told the commissions I do receive from bands and management are A FRACTION of what they stand to make from my art, say $50 to $100 per piece and they stand to make anywhere from $500-$2000 on poster sales.... Not to mention have you seen the price of Phish tickets lately?! ;)   2010-04-08 09:46:22
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   I see what you're getting at, and yes I recognize the logistics and legalities, but I did NOT do that with this poster, and when I do I steer clear of copyrighted icons and what not. But no I don't see anything morally WRONG about it, it's art in appreciation of other art...everyday on this site there are "artist" prints for sale of modified photographs of famous artists, be they writers, musicians, poets, etc....is there no concern for directly using their likeness and NOT paying out their estates or management?
Art is Art. I like doing it, looking at it, and purchasing it from others, be it official or otherwise. ANY promotion for a band is good for them, regardless of its origins.
  2010-04-08 09:43:13
caribouSend caribou a message :   "if it were consistently left up to management and corporations ALOT less good art would exist."
not necessarily. take this poster for example...BOH didn't want it, so why not use it for a local Denver band that would love to have a poster done for their show at the rock club down the street?
  2010-04-08 09:41:25
caribouSend caribou a message :   so you see nothing wrong with producing and selling a poster that was not consigned by either the band or the venue?   2010-04-08 09:35:49
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   ["Although I have submitted posters that I made and sold on my own terms ("bootleg or fan art")" that's the reason for the venom.]
Why?, this site is full of that stuff?!...Christ out of 13-14 posters I have posted mebbe 2-3 were "Bootleg"...again, WHY IS THAT BAD? if it were consistently left up to management and corporations ALOT less good art would exist. Am I missing something?
  2010-04-08 09:31:15
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   ["Although I have submitted posters that I made and sold on my own terms ("bootleg or fan art")" that's the reason for the venom.]
Why?, this site is full of that stuff?!...Christ out of 13-14 posters I have posted mebbe 2-3 were "Bootleg"...again, WHY IS THAT BAD? if it were consistently left up to management and corporations ALOT less good art would exist. Am I missing something?
  2010-04-08 09:30:13
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   I give up :|   2010-04-08 09:28:16
caribouSend caribou a message :   "Although I have submitted posters that I made and sold on my own terms ("bootleg or fan art")"
that's the reason for the venom.
  2010-04-08 09:27:39
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   dspring, you are correct it has ended up as just a bit of my portfolio(which includes more than posters)...just thought it might be visually appreciated by someone other than myself... fine I'll remove it, but this all seems mighty "un-fun" to me.   2010-04-08 09:27:30
peter worthSend peter worth a message :   you can't remove it even if you wanted to. that power is in the hands of the almighty CLAY.   2010-04-08 09:27:16
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   dspring, you are correct it has ended up as just a bit of my portfolio(which includes more than posters)...just thought it might be visually appreciated by someone other than myself... fine I'll remove it, but this all seems mighty "un-fun" to me.   2010-04-08 09:27:12
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   dspring, you are correct it has ended up as just a bit of my portfolio(which includes more than posters)...just thought it might be visually appreciated by someone other than myself... fine I'll remove it, but this all seems mighty "un-fun" to me.   2010-04-08 09:26:56
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   Wow. Such venom.
I really enjoy this site...Including all of the fan art and boot legging, this site would have far less content if that were the case.
Much of the art produced in this genre is bootleg. Including some of the best stuff, the whole idea behind gig poster art is the DIY movement, meaning "do it yourself".
I was being sincere, and am really shocked by such vicious comments. If you were to go through every poster on this site deciding whether or not it was "official" enough for you, you would be a busy and likely disappointed man.
I do plenty of commissioned "official" work in poster world, and enjoy creating my own art for shows and bands I like whether or not they are all used in an official way. This is a tough enough business without this sort of demoralizing bullshit. Like I said, I put it out there for people to enjoy, as ART. It's not like I'm trying to sell thousands of copies of a "bootlegged" (which in my mind constitutes using of official logos, etc.), there are THREE copies of it, SHeesh.
  2010-04-08 09:24:18
dspringSend dspring a message :   so basically this is a portfolio piece... I say remove (nothing personal but if everyone submitted the "poster I thought was good but rejected) this place would just be a portfolio site... "well I drew this up... sent it to the band and they said "who the fuck are you" but it exists..."   2010-04-08 09:21:18
steve wSend steve w a message :   like I said, the submission guidelines don't say not to. BUT, that last post was pretty fucking stupid. Bootlegging IS illegal and you ARE an asshole   2010-04-08 09:13:23
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   Although I have submitted posters that I made and sold on my own terms ("bootleg or fan art"), this was a requested commission for which none of my submissions were chosen, hence I never got paid, however prints exist...again just to be clear, I'd be happy to remove it but I would prefer people enjoy it....   2010-04-08 09:09:25
steve wSend steve w a message :   though there probably should be   2010-04-08 08:52:44
steve wSend steve w a message :   "A gig poster is an advertisement for a live musical performance. We also accept flyers and handbills. We do not accept promotional, non-music related posters or posters for shows that did not happen. There must be at least one musical performer listed on the poster. (band or DJ). Please add all the bands to the list on the last step of the submission process." sounds like it's okay to me. there's nothing here about not submitting bootlegs or fan art   2010-04-08 08:52:12
peter worthSend peter worth a message :   no rules broken in my book.   2010-04-08 08:47:34
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   Ummm...I was asked by managment to do a poster for a gig. I did multiple versions, of all the versions submitted there are actually posters made of these two. There was a gig, posters exist for it, I feel this qualified them. I checked the requirements for this site and I never saw a "minimum quantity of prints" rule. I felt these posters were cool, and quite frankly, indicative of some of my better work and thought people(other than myself) may enjoy looking at them... All of the other posters I have submitted have been printed in much larger runs ranging from 25 limited prints to quantities of 200 offset prints at 18 x 24.....
I just they were cool, however if I have broken some rule, I will be happy to remove them.
  2010-04-08 08:36:34
PediniSend Pedini a message :   so its not really a gig poster and you should take it off of this site   2010-04-07 14:56:45
serlo72Send serlo72 a message :   actually got denied by my art director, so did the aspen tree one... only a few of my own prints exist   2010-04-07 14:29:54
DirkStainlySend DirkStainly a message :   digging this   2010-04-07 03:31:57
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