here's the genius move that will turn this poster into a hit for everybody involved (especially you)....
it's a 45 sleve right? cut the hole out ogf the poster. a poster of a 45 sleeve with a bigass hole in the middle. everybody will love it.
art- no, if a dork gets rich it just makes him a rich dork. It was how well spoken he was and his outlook on life and business that gave me some respect for him. Kinda like there are bands i hate, yet still have respect for due to their talent or social awareness.
When I lived in NY, my roomie and I used to go to Other Music all the time. It seemed like every other day they would have a new bootleg disc of Lee Renaldo and Steve Shelley playing some crazy 72-minute freakout jam. It was as if we were always chasing these shows ("look! This was recorded last Tuesday!") but never found any.
Those were like what sonic youh was SUPPOSED to sound like.
kenny g? man, about 1983, i had to do a photo shoot (no bullets) with him for the cover of the rocket. kenny gorlick. went to franklin high school in south seattle.
he was the nicest, sweetest guy. he's everything you'd imagine and way more. the whole time he smiled and snuggled with his girl friend constantly. he spoke in a soft friendly voice he was cooperative and kept saying "thank you."
man i wanted to strangle him the whole time. we picked the worst photo from the whole session to use on the cover. his eyes were closed. that was our way of saying his music was so boring it even put him to sleep.
fucking rich, too.
'Hits Are For Squares'
"Bull in the Heather," selected by Catherine Keener
"Sugar Kane," selected by Beck
"100%," selected by Mike D
"Kool Thing," selected by Radiohead
"Disappearer," selected by Portia De Rossi
"Superstar," selected by Diablo Cody
"Stones," selected by Allison Anders
"Tuff Gnarl," selected by Dave Eggers and Mike Watt
"Teenage Riot," selected by Eddie Vedder
"Shadow of a Doubt," selected by Michelle Williams
"Rain on Tin," selected by Flea
"Tom Violence," selected by Gus Van Zant
"Mary-Christ," selected by David Cross
"World Looks Red," selected by Chloe Sevigny
"Expressway to Yr Skull," selected by Flaming Lips
"Slow Revolution," exclusive new Sonic Youth recording
SY talks about how hard their starbucks disk is to get in an interview somewhere...I'll see if I can find it. It's like one of their rarer discs and I do believe it was one of the collaborative ones.
I don't feel that SY has compromised their sound over the years. They've just grown and I love The Eternal.
rule one of gigposter club:
there are no rules.
you can do whatever you want until you're caught.
don't let rule number two stop you.
all the rules are to be ignored at all times.
Mitch, for the record (tongue in cheek)... now that I understand all the details I've moved on again. Before, after... doesn't seem to matter now that the rules have changed. It's just a poster. RIGHT!?
I have no problem with this poster. I don't think it's great but I don't think it sucks. I like other Tuffy creations better. Just to set the record straight. And I have no beef with any artist in particular. My initial comment had nothing to do with the origin of the spiral, more the attitude of the community towards activity like this...
That is find some image, don't do much if anything to it at all, turn into poster. Some are crucified, some are praised. Gardner is a douche but he's not the first I've seen this crucifixion happen to in the years I've been hanging around here.
Art... I know exactly where you are coming from which is why I didn't make too much stink about it in the first place. I didn't feel like finding out if I would be supported in my gripe or smacked down for being a crybaby and I moved on.
This poster made it explode out of me like a baby alien.
It is what it is. Shit happens I guess...
don't be so... sensitive... or whatever. this is a really good poster. the concept is rushed and not the best (even you admit that). but it is a really really great looking thing. an excellent piece you should be proud of.
hell, i'd frame and hang this thing, it's so nice.
7" sleeves have been used as graphic design themes for decades. first time i did it was back in the 1970's when i was still learning to do this stuff. think of it as "design 101 level" concept work. sort of like playing card posters.
cracks me up. your gripe is legitimate and you have been wronged by a new system that further screws us over (again). sorry to hear that.
however, the thing that really makes me laugh is that this has also happened to me several times this year and every time i try to mention my gripe, everybody dumps on me like i'm a killjoy and the my complaint is dismissed as laughable. on the other hand, you have the same thing happen and you get acknowledgment and sympathy.
this is one of the reasons i wanted you to be more specific in the double standards you point out. it gets so confusing around here.
Oooof. Whatta mess. It seems more like the band management could've tried to make sure you were part of the series because you were working on something already. It'd be tough for the person organizing the series to know if anyone in any random city had started working on a poster (unless you told them).
Billy, I've already stated a few times that I have no beef with Tuffy. Maybe "shit something out" was harsh... a crime of passion.
Jay Ryan got the date that was yanked from me, and I knew he'd make something cool and he did. No beef with him either.
I was over it until this poster and the details behind it surfaced. I mean... I could see if I was some noob on "the scene" that one would disregard my involvement in a "coveted poster" series... but that's not the case. I'm not a noob. The stuff I had cooking was every bit as good as anything I've seen in this series. So the translation I hear in my head now is "No Steve, you're not one of us. Step aside. We need to let Tuffy shit something out in a day. Those rules we've all discussed 'til we're blue in the face, the ones about permissions that you've been playing by like us pros? Well, those rules don't apply here. We're making a new set of rules that serve us better. This is OFFICIAL and you're not welcome in this new playground we're building."
How hard would it have been to say... "Sorry dude, here's a later date that we need something for..." I mean... if Tuffy only had a day.? Gimme a fucking break.
Let me preface this by saying that this has nothing to do with Tuffy personally... but one "One day to do the poster" makes my blood boil.
I had legitimately gotten permission to do a Sonic Youth poster BEFORE the tour series was arranged. FROM BAND MANAGEMENT. and had spent more than "a day" thinking, designing etc... only to have it later yanked back from everyone that had given me permission (yes even band management)to MAKE WAY FOR THE PROFESSIONALLY PRODUCED OFFICIAL TOUR SERIES.
So to now find out that a date was handed over to someone with only a day to come up with something burns even more and further solidifies the notion that 99% of what is said on this site about ethics, best practice, whatever is just complete self serving, incestuous bullshit. This "community" that supposedly is so tight knit and looking out for each other... bullshit.
Again, this has nothing to do with Tuffy, the person.
Let the games begin.
Thank you Sonic Youth. You made it ok to: appropriate vintage 7" jacket inserts. -- I had one day to do a poster for this show. It was quick and dirty and this design was on my mind... I didn't intend to do the same colors but by the time finished printing it was identical. Psychology at work, indeed.
Not the same thing. The old record sleeve wasn't capital-A art; reusing it here is totally different from the Paul Gardner scenario. This is a forgotten piece of ephemera put into a new context, not fine art scanned, autotraced and passed off as Tuffys work.
I do agree that there's a double standard maybe, but SOME people have just blatantly stolen artwork and said "I made this". Yeah, those people would have been crucified - and deservedly, because they have a history of stealing shit. Tuffy is one of the best designers we have, and I see a huge difference between reuse and theft - a line he doesn't cross.
starpuke's? man, is that what became of the legendary sonic youth? latte's? well, that's NYC for ya. a city of pimps. er... wait. that's tacoma...
li'l tuffy is one of the best poster makers on this sight. this is a really great poster. it's just not a very imaginative design. it's still great. so what?
it looks simple but there is something different about this for Tuffy. i cant put my toe on it exactly. It is interesting (or not) how there are similar themes handled in the SY series this time. Jeff and I and Little used orange/yello blues (and glow in the dark), Jay, delicious, Tuff and Stakes and the Mafia all went straight process colors with eerily similar circular motifs. Meth and Godzooki and the Giant went CYMK too. It seems like a lot of overlap for just a few posters from a few geniuses. ;)
So cool. Not sure why, I thought of a version of the Atlantic Records logo when I saw this. Probably because I liked watching it spin on the turntable when I was a kid. There's some nice motion in this.